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Used motorcycle: buying routine and contract (help needed)

Erstellt von Angelo_gs, 25.03.2015, 17:05 Uhr · 14 Antworten · 4.425 Aufrufe

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    #1
    Hello guys, again, nice to talk to you.

    As I said in my introduction post,
    I'm going to buy a used motorcycle from a private, so I need some advices on the contract and necessary steps to do here in Germany. I'm absolutely new to the country so I know nothing about the routines. Would really appreciate your feedbacks.

    First of all, inspection and test. Let's suppose it'll be OK, what's next?


    1. I suppose we have an agreement on the price and sign a contract (found one on mobile.de, is it reliable?)
    2. The bike stays still at the seller place (right?)
    3. I have to insure the bike (is it possible without registering FIRST, the motorcycle?)
    4. We have to go together... (I don't know where, can you tell me?) to register the motorcycle in my name
    5. After that I give the money to him. (cash or any other more reliable way?)
    6. At this point I can get the plate number (or it is possible to get it anyway sooner?)
    7. I go to his place and get my amazing F800GS


    Is this correct? Would you do the same?

    Can you also help me to understand what the following contract section means:

    VI. Ummeldung des Fahrzeuges
    Der Käufer verpflichtet sich, das Fahrzeug unverzüglich, jedoch spätestens innerhalb einer Woche ab Übergabe umzumelden: ja/nein
    Das Fahrzeug wird nach Abschluss des Kaufvertrags abgemeldet übergeben: ja/nein

    Thank you in advance and sorry for the long post


    Cheers, or better, Tschüss!

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    #2
    handling varies from seller to seller. Cash is the was to go in first place. Mobile.de contracts are fine and waive the buyer's rights for any guarantee whatsoever which is a common procedure for Germany.

    Some sellers will hand you the insured vehicle, most will not. If you are living in the same county (Landkreis in Germany) seller and you can go to the administration (Zulassungsstelle) and registrate the bike to you. Make sure to have your stuff together like passport and your registration certificate from the german Einwohnermeldeamt which is proof for your registred adress. Documents will be registred to your name, you buy the license plate which will get it's stamps and you're good to go.

    Other sellers will take their bike off the road and you either haul it away without license plate or you take all docs required to the Zulassung, get your own plate, back to the seller, plate on, off you go. If you are living/registering in another Landkreis you need to bring the bike to the Zulassung and they'll check property, VIN and stuff, things that are your due diligence anyways.

    For the insurance you need a doc called EVB (Elektronische Versicherungsbestätigung) that indicates that vehicle is insured to the Zulassung.

    German documents are Zulassungsbescheinigung Teil 1 and Teil 2, big document for the vault and small one for the purse to carry. Both are needed and have to be part of the purchase, but again, due diligence, do your homework, my infos are not meant to be complete or bullet proof

    Good luck

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    #3
    Der Käufer verpflichtet sich, das Fahrzeug unverzüglich, jedoch spätestens innerhalb einer Woche ab Übergabe umzumelden: ja/nein
    Das Fahrzeug wird nach Abschluss des Kaufvertrags abgemeldet übergeben: ja/nein

    the buyer obliges to register the vehicle to him within one week or earlier from the moment of receipt.

    The vehicle is handed over taken off the road yes/no

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    #4
    Thank you so much Schlonz! Clear!
    Yes, I live in Germany.

    Will give an update soon.

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    Zitat Zitat von Angelo_gs Beitrag anzeigen
    Thank you so much Schlonz! Clear!
    Yes, I live in Germany.

    Will give an update soon.
    more than welcome. Don't hesitate to ask here when in any doubt. It's easy, but not free of traps

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    Hi Angelo,

    to answer a few of your questions:

    mobile.de is one of the 2 major platforms for verhicle trade in Europe/Germany. It's as "reliable" as Ebay, which means that there are serious sellers as well as creepy creatures.

    Step 1: Assumed that you will not sign a contract prior to inspecting the bike (I wouldn't do so), you could stick to a kind of "letter of intent", saying: Yes, I will buy the bike if anything looks good on site. A serious seller will accept that - and even help you with local procedures. Ask for an address to meet him or her, and verify this address via Google Maps (should be a residential address).

    Step 2: Travel to the sellers address. Do NOT take money with you if the address sounds something strange (like a filling station on the autobahn). Inspect the bike and check the documents (especially frame number, VIN). If the bike is currently registered, the owner should have two documents: 1) The "Fahrzeugschein" (this is needed while operating the vehicle in Germany, so you might need it for a test drive) and 2) The "Fahrzeugbrief", which is the real document of ownership.

    Step 3: If everything is ok, sign a contract with the seller. mobile.de features some sample contracts, which should be ok. Exchange your money against the "Fahrzeugbrief". From that very moment you are the owner.

    Step 4) You need a registration (on your name) as well as an insurance to drive the bike out of Germany. Since you do not have a german address, you will not get a regular insurance, like residents would. Instead you go to an office of ADAC (biggest german automobile club, like RAC in the UK) to buy an insurance for a "short term plate" (Kurzzeitkennzeichen) or an "export plate" (Exportkennzeichen). Which one to take depends of your final target country, and people at ADAC should recommend the right one. This insurance will only cover damages to other people, but not theft, flood or fire. So take good care of your new possession. It's a good idea to ask in your home country wether it's allowed to drive home on a german export plate.

    Step 5) Next you go to a local registration office called "Zulassungsstelle" or "Strassenverkehrsamt", where you'll get a temporary "Fahrzeugschein". Either for a short term plate or an export plate. You have to present a sales contract, the insurance policy and the "Fahrzeugbrief" here.

    Step 6) Enjoy the new bike and drive it home (as far as I know you have to take a direct route - so don't go on vaccation with it).

    Ask the seller to assist you with steps 4 and 5.

    Cheers,

    Thomas

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    #7
    Hi Thomas, nice to meet you, and thanks for the suggestions.
    Knowledge is growing and things are more clear.

    I live in Germany now, so no problem for extra arrangement to take the bike abroad.
    Zitat Zitat von Demokrit Beitrag anzeigen
    Step 3: If everything is ok, sign a contract with the seller. mobile.de features some sample contracts, which should be ok. Exchange your money against the "Fahrzeugbrief". From that very moment you are the owner.
    So from this moment on I can go to the Zulassungstelle by my own and register the bike in my name? (I'm staying in Germany so no need to export the bike abroad).
    It means that if I require a temporary plate number and insurance (is it possible to buy one before to have a bike?) I can even take the bike with me the same day.

    Step 4) You need a registration (on your name) as well as an insurance to drive the bike out of Germany. Since you do not have a german address, you will not get a regular insurance, like residents would. Instead you go to an office of ADAC (biggest german automobile club, like RAC in the UK) to buy an insurance for a "short term plate" (Kurzzeitkennzeichen) or an "export plate" (Exportkennzeichen). Which one to take depends of your final target country, and people at ADAC should recommend the right one. This insurance will only cover damages to other people, but not theft, flood or fire. So take good care of your new possession. It's a good idea to ask in your home country wether it's allowed to drive home on a german export plate.
    Since I live in Germany I can get a regular insurance, but I'd like to do all the practicalities while the bike is at my place and not still at the (former) owner which can still do whatever with the bike.

    Basically my struggle is to understand how can I get my bike safe at home and not let it at the owner place, because everything can happen while I'm doing the paperworks, even "disappear"...
    Maybe a visit at ADAC would be good, isn't it?

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    No, you don't need the ADAC if you have a german address. Everything is much easier now.

    Contact any german insurance company, check an compare prices, and chose the best one. Make sure to let your previous (possibly non-german) insurance company testify the number of years without an accident (in writing). This leads to large discounts on the tariff. If you're settled, ask for a "Deckungskarte". You don't need any vehicle details for that, so, if you pick another bike in the end, you can use the same "Deckungskarte". It will be used at the "Zulassungsstelle" as a proof of insurance. After vehicle registration contact the insurance company again, and give them the vehicle- and registration details (License plate).

    As far as I know (I moved out of Germany a hundred years ago) not every "Zulassungsstelle" will issue plates to non residents. Lets say, you are living in Hamburg, but the bike is in Munich. The "Zulassungsstelle" in Munich might say "you have to go to the Hamburg office, to get the final registration. In that case, they can issue a "Kurzzeitkennzeichen", which can be used for the transfer to Hamburg. Might be a good idea to contact your local "Zulassungsstelle" in advance.

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    #9
    many insurance agencies can send the insurance information for the Zulassungsstelle by SMS to your phone. Most information is transferred to the Zulassungsstelle in advance, you then only need the number on your phone and the documents identifying you as the owner.

    Regarding choosing an insurance company: there are independent insurance agencies all over the place, they don't do business with one single insurance company but with several of them. Probably easier to go to one of those with your vehicle information (model name, year, BHP) and have them find the cheapest insurance for you. As soon as you have actually bought the bike, just give them a call to send you the information for the Zulassungsstelle to your phone.

    Regarding taking the bike with you: the previous owner has to unregister the bike. For that he needs the license plate and the bike documents. So if the bike is still registered, you probably can't take it with you. Some sellers do trust the buyer enough to allow them to take the bike on their insurance, but most wouldn't do that (I got lucky with both my last car and my last bike, so I seem to look trustworthy). If you're lucky, the seller allows you to move the bike with his plates still on it. Then you just have to go to the Zulassungsstelle once, to unregister the old and register your new plates. If you're not lucky, you either need the final plates for the bike (making it necessary to get the bikes documents in advance to get the plates) or temporary plates that allow you to move the bike for a few days under full insurance - you can get those at the Zulassungsstelle too. May cost a few € more but depending on where the bike is located this may be easier. The Zulassungsstelle is a government office, so "speed" and "service" are written in Comic Sans, size 2. Renting a motorbike trailer at a local garage should also be possible, provided you have access to a car with a tow-bar.

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    Today the „Deckungskarte" is only a number. Check before you go to the registration, if you need to give them your bankaccount datas. No bankaccount, no taxpaying, no registration plate.

    The „Fahrzeugschein" is the „Zulassungsbescheinigung Teil I", „Fahrzeugbrief" -> „Zulassungsbescheinigung Teil II". If it is an older bike you have the old named papers. They will change it at the registration office.


 
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